[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:00:05] Topic	rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-01-22 | Init".
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:00:18] <rdieter>	kde sig meeting start.
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:00:25] <rdieter>	hi all, who's present today?
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:00:39] <svahl>	present (but only partly today)
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:00:46] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler, than, ltinkl: ping
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:00:52] <Kevin_Kofler>	Present.
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:02:14] Topic	rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-01-22 | # Preparing for Fedora 9 Alpha".
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:02:23] <rdieter>	okie dokie, let's get started slowly then.
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:02:31] <rdieter>	topic 1: prep for F9 alpha
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:03:34] <rdieter>	I think we're in pretty good shape, in general, anything else here? (in general, we've got a few other more specific related topics coming later).
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:03:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	Just a reminder: F9 alpha has been frozen over the night.
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:04:13] <Kevin_Kofler>	So if we want to get anything else into the alpha, it has to be built ASAP and tagging requested to rel-eng.
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:04:32] <Kevin_Kofler>	Last night's kdepim and kdenetwork builds are already tagged f9-alpha, those went before the cutoff.
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:05:04] <rdieter>	As Jessie mentioned in the alpha announcement, only dire things will be tagged at this point, focus is on installability atm.
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:05:25] <rdieter>	otherwise, updates can continue into rawhide as usual.
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:05:55] <Kevin_Kofler>	Good point, flooding rel-eng with tagging requests for f9-alpha isn't useful, it only makes sense to request a f9-alpha tag if there's some really big problem.
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[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:12:21] <ltinkl>	WB
[Di Jan 22 2008] [17:13:36] <Kevin_Kofler>	So can we go on now?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:02:26] Topic	rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-07-22 -- Init".
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:02:35] <rdieter>	kde sig meeting start, who's present today?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:02:50] 	 * SMParrish here
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:03:04] 	 * lvillani almost present
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:03:12] <rdieter>	ping than, svahl, Kevin_Kofler , foo*
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:03:13] <svahl>	present
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:03:26] <than>	present
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:03:49] Topic	rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-07-22 -- agenda".
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:03:53] <Kevin_Kofler>	Present.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:03:55] <rdieter>	topic 1: agenda.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:04:10] <Kevin_Kofler>	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-07-22 has just one topic to discuss, that's not much.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:04:13] <rdieter>	agenda's pretty light today (in wiki), so any topics to discuss (other than kpackagekit)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:04:49] <rdieter>	I have one: kde-4.1 updates for F-9 status.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:05:14] <rdieter>	actually, kde-4.1 updates in general (including f8)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:07:06] <than>	is it worth doing KDE4.1 update for F8?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:07:20] <Kevin_Kofler>	than: IMHO yes, and I'm working on it already.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:07:24] <rdieter>	dev platform bits?  yes
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:07:35] <Kevin_Kofler>	Of course not the whole desktop!
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:07:42] <rdieter>	that includes qt-4.4, which many have been asking for.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:07:44] <Kevin_Kofler>	Only the stuff which is now at 4.0.5.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:07:59] <than>	ah ok :)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:08:04] <rdieter>	ok, let's move on then.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:08:13] Topic	rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-07-22 -- KDE 4.1 updates status".
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:08:25] <rdieter>	topic: kde-4.1 updates status (since we're discussing it already)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:09:11] <rdieter>	I've got kde-4.0.99 pretty much all built for F-9.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:09:11] <Kevin_Kofler>	For F8, I have qt4-4.4.0 built (for now without rdieter's WebKit subpackage, I'll build it again with that change).
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:09:20] <Kevin_Kofler>	I'll take care of the rest once Koji is back up.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:09:49] <Kevin_Kofler>	For sip and PyQt4, I've been waiting for commit permissions on sip, for everything else on final versions of KDE 4.1 and the matching kdesupport.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:09:51] <than>	i'm uploading kde-l10n into CVS
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:09:53] <rdieter>	ah, than, did you catch our earlier exchange in #fedora-kde about making a subpkg for qt4's webkit part (~16mb worth).
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:10:28] <rdieter>	ok, maybe not that much, but definitely >10 mb
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:11:12] <than>	do we want to split it into qt4-webkit?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:11:20] <rdieter>	than: yes, that was the idea.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:11:23] <svahl>	will this free some space on the live images or would sth. else pull it in?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:11:29] <Kevin_Kofler>	The problem is that it won't help KDE users unless we can split out the parts of Plasma which use WebKit too (but upstream will hate us for that).
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:11:31] <rdieter>	svahl: no
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:11:48] <Kevin_Kofler>	It'll only possibly help qt-only apps.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:11:58] <svahl>	ok
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:12:22] <Kevin_Kofler>	PyQt4 might need to be split too if we want to help the likes of liveusb-creator.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:12:34] <rdieter>	oh yucky
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:12:44] <Kevin_Kofler>	Or doesn't that have WebKit bindings at all yet?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:12:55] <rdieter>	not sure actually, I don't think so.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:13:34] <rdieter>	apparently yes, includes qtwebkit.py, but it doesn't link against it. ??
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:13:35] <than>	Kevin_Kofler: IMO it doesn't make sense to split it if it doesn't save spaces
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:15:43] <rdieter>	another possible advantage to s split, is that it makes it easier to undo it later, if there's a possibility to want or need to migrate back to WebKit-qt
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:16:22] <rdieter>	that's all hypothetical, but it does allow additional flexibility.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:16:54] <Kevin_Kofler>	As far as KDE is concerned, it'd require deep Plasma surgery (including breaking API compatibility) to avoid linking QtWebKit in (and possibly writing a lot of replacement code using KHTML).
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:17:11] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: nod, and not really a viable option. ick.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:17:24] <Kevin_Kofler>	So a split won't save us anything for KDE.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:17:56] <Kevin_Kofler>	I'd wish they'd just use KHTML instead of forcing us to ship 2 big frameworks doing the exact same thing. :-(
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:18:06] <rdieter>	ok, maybe table that idea for now then.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:18:49] <rdieter>	wrt kde-4.1 updates.  looks like 4.1 final will be released to packagers real soon.  question Kevin_Kofler raised yesterday was : is it (still) worth releasing a 4.0.99-based update or wait?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:19:25] <rdieter>	my biased opinion is yes, gives more opportunity for valuable feedback.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:19:32] <Kevin_Kofler>	I won't be building any 4.0.99 stuff for F8, I'll go to 4.1.0 directly.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:19:34] <than>	rdieter: +1
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:19:46] <rdieter>	downside, it guarantees will have at least one more big update soonish
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:19:59] <Kevin_Kofler>	But for F9 we already have it built, so I guess we can get it into testing.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:20:08] <SMParrish>	agreed always good to have more eyes on it. +1
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:20:14] <svahl>	+1 here too (or does KDE allow us to release KDE-4.1 before the official release)?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:20:15] <rdieter>	f13: ping, (if you got a sec), from rel-eng perspective, I know this is making you cry already, what's your opinion?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:20:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	But we should ask testers not to give it karma, any make it clear it should never hit stable.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:20:51] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: I think bodhi is configurable for that now, so we should be able to have tighter control on that.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:21:03] <Kevin_Kofler>	Has that change hit production yet?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:21:06] <than>	rdieter: please make sure that we don't push it in F9-update!
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:21:15] <rdieter>	than: +1, definitely
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:21:39] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: not sure.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:21:59] <rdieter>	either way, we'll keep a close eye on it
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:23:05] <Kevin_Kofler>	I just checked, it hasn't.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:23:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	The production server is still running the same ancient version of Bodhi.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:23:37] <Kevin_Kofler>	A lot of improvements have been made since, but production hasn't been updated. :-(
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:23:45] <rdieter>	bummer, anything else kde-4.1-wise, or move on?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:24:43] <Kevin_Kofler>	We need to make sure that https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F9/FEDORA-2008-6376 hits stable before KDE 4.1.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:24:51] <Kevin_Kofler>	(That's the openbabel update.)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:25:16] <Kevin_Kofler>	I did some testing and gave it a +1, but I wasn't able to test the Kalzium 3D molecule viewer because it doesn't work for me with the old OpenBabel either.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:25:51] <rdieter>	worked for me, last I tried, maybe I can give it karma too
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:26:15] <Kevin_Kofler>	Well, you're running 4.1 already.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:26:31] <rdieter>	I tried it on a stock kde-4.0 box too. :)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:26:33] <Kevin_Kofler>	What should be tested here is kdeedu-4.0.5-2.fc9, really.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:26:35] <than>	kde-l10n-4.0.98 isn't built yet.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:26:49] <Kevin_Kofler>	(With the new OpenBabel.)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:27:07] <Kevin_Kofler>	The point is to verify that the OpenBabel update didn't break it.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:27:16] <rdieter>	than: keep me abrest of kde-l10n status, and I'll add it to the pending kde-4.1 update when ready.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:27:34] <than>	rdieter: ok i will let you know
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:27:37] <Kevin_Kofler>	If we do some more testing, we can get the OpenBabel update up to +3 (without cheating). Otherwise, I can nag Rathann to push it manually, but I'm not feeling too good about rushing things.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:27:59] <rdieter>	4.1 is going to be awhile before going stable, so I'm not too worried.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:28:26] <Kevin_Kofler>	It's also possible that Bodhi will think the update is "obsolete" because you're about to push a newer kdeedu to testing.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:28:37] <Kevin_Kofler>	That problem can be fun too.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:29:09] <rdieter>	fwiw, this is what I have so far wrt kde-4.1 pending update: http://tinyurl.com/653u9l
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:29:51] <rdieter>	still a lot missing obviously
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:30:02] <rdieter>	will fill it in now that things seem to be back up and running.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:31:13] <Kevin_Kofler>	akonadi is missing, kde-i18n is missing (the updated build of the KDE 3 kde-i18n which fixes some new conflicts with kde-l10n, I think it's not built for F9 yet), and many kde* modules are.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:31:28] <rdieter>	here are our current list of kde41 blockers: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=446427&hide_resolved=1
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:32:22] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: nod, I'll update it after meeting, and give y'all a chance to look it over again.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:32:47] <Kevin_Kofler>	We also need a rebuild of compiz.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:32:52] <Kevin_Kofler>	It has open ACLs.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:33:06] <Kevin_Kofler>	It should be as simple as dropping the revert-plasma-api patch and rebuilding.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:33:43] <Kevin_Kofler>	(Compiz has already been upgraded to an upstream version supporting 4.1, it had to be patched to build against 4.0.)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:34:31] <Kevin_Kofler>	I see this as a potential big problem: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=453331
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:35:29] <Kevin_Kofler>	I'd suggest putting printer-applet into a subpackage. It won't really fix this, but it'll make it less of a problem because people won't get it added by an update.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:35:38] <Kevin_Kofler>	It'll also avoid having all of kdeutils depend on PyKDE4.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:36:01] <than>	Kevin_Kofler: or fix system-config-printer
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:36:47] <Kevin_Kofler>	Fix how? A split alone won't fix it because the upgrade won't remove the GTK+ applet.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:36:57] <Kevin_Kofler>	(even if it's not a dependency)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:37:11] <rdieter>	iet's do both, split, and work with system-config-printer for accomodations in the meantime.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:37:12] <Kevin_Kofler>	They'd have to add a NotShowIn=KDE;
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:37:33] <than>	Kevin_Kofler: yeah. add NotShowIn=KDE
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:38:03] <rdieter>	I'd rather avoid that, if possible.  makes using the default/gtk system-config-printer impossible
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:38:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	system-config-printer should also have a system-config-printer-common split out with only the stuff the KDE printer-applet needs.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:38:12] <Kevin_Kofler>	Ubuntu already has it packaged like that.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:38:16] <than>	has someone asked Tim to add this in system-config-printer?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:38:43] <rdieter>	than: afaik, not yet.  all talk, no do so far. :(  who wants the job/task?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:39:02] <than>	i will ask him
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:39:39] <rdieter>	I'll work on a kdeutils subpkg.  any suggestions on pkg naming here?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:40:11] <rdieter>	kdeutils-printer-applet ?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:40:34] <than>	rdieter: +1
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:40:42] <Kevin_Kofler>	Fine with me too.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:40:46] <SMParrish>	+1
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:40:48] <svahl>	+1
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:42:01] <rdieter>	ok, let's move on to our next topic
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:42:13] Topic	rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-07-22 -- kpackage review".
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:42:17] <rdieter>	topic: kpackage review
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:42:46] <rdieter>	kpackagekit that is
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:42:56] Topic	rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-07-22 -- kpackagekit review, https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455700".
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:42:59] <rdieter>	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=455700
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:43:20] <rdieter>	just an fyi mostly, looks like we'll be able to merge packagekit-qt and kpackagekit into 1.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:43:41] <rdieter>	SMParrish: any other comments/updates to share?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:44:06] <Kevin_Kofler>	FYI, Koji appears to be back up now.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:44:07] <SMParrish>	Been using it for a week on my rawhide box.  What works  Add/Remove. search and update discovery.  What is missing is systray notification and the ability to actually do an update
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:44:50] <SMParrish>	Talked to the devs  they said those last 2 pieces should be ready for the f10 beta freeze on 8/22
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:45:05] <rdieter>	tech-preview quality atm, I'm ok with that.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:45:33] <Kevin_Kofler>	I'd say it's OK for Rawhide now, but definitely not as the default on the F10 Alpha live image.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:45:48] <SMParrish>	I've got this wiki page up and will keep it updated https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/kpackagekit
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:45:51] <rdieter>	nod
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:45:55] <Kevin_Kofler>	(Need at the very least working updates for that.)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:46:21] <rdieter>	SMParrish: thx
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:46:29] Topic	rdieter setzt das Kanal-Topic auf "KDE SIG Meeting -- http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2008-07-22 -- open discussion".
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:46:34] <SMParrish>	When it is ready though we will have to deal with the kpackagekit vs gnome-packagekit issues.  dont want them both running
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:47:43] <rdieter>	open discussion, anything else for today?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:48:27] <Kevin_Kofler>	I have one more thing about the KDE 4.1 update: I hacked kjots from kdepim 4.1 into kdeutils for the F9 upgrade. It was part of kdeutils in 4.0.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:48:40] <Kevin_Kofler>	It was moved to kdepim for integration into Kontact.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:48:47] <Kevin_Kofler>	But we don't have kdepim 4 or Kontact 4 in F9.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:49:03] <Kevin_Kofler>	So it's now built with kdeutils and with Kontact integration patched out.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:50:01] <svahl>	A FYI: I've removed kftpgrabber, filelight and pavucontrol from the live images since PyKDE4/PyQt4 are pulled in. http://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=SebastianVahl/CurrentPackageList&oldid=40942
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:50:22] <Kevin_Kofler>	(That should guarantee a proper upgrade path for kjots users.)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:50:26] <svahl>	I could upload a pre-alpha test image if someone offers some webspace (my admin is at holidays)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:50:30] <Kevin_Kofler>	Of course it will be shipped in kdepim from F10 on.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:51:21] <rdieter>	ah, speacking of space issues, I had a few ideas to explore there.  kdebase-workspace-wallpapers was one : ~10mb  , oxygen-cursor-themes  (or something like that)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:51:37] <rdieter>	svahl: fedorapeople.org ?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:51:53] <svahl>	AFAIK the limit is at about 200 megs?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:51:59] <rdieter>	oh, didn't know that.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:52:16] <Kevin_Kofler>	Oh, another FYI: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewcvs/rpms/kdebase-workspace/devel/kdebase-workspace-4.0.99-plasma-tooltips.patch?rev=1.1&view=markup
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:52:38] <Kevin_Kofler>	kdebase-workspace-4.0.99-2 has the tooltip functionality darktears recently wrote (but too late for upstream 4.1).
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:52:46] <Kevin_Kofler>	Tooltips were supported in 4.0.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:52:51] <Kevin_Kofler>	Then lost in the Plasma reorganization.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:53:04] <Kevin_Kofler>	And a lot of TODOs/FIXMEs left in applets which used the old 4.0 tooltips.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:53:18] <Kevin_Kofler>	This implements them again and sorts out those TODOs/FIXMEs.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:53:30] <svahl>	rdieter: what do you mean with "kdebase-workspace-wallpapers" and "oxygen-cursor-themes"? A split out from current kdebase-workspace?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:53:36] <rdieter>	yes
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:53:41] <Kevin_Kofler>	Has anybody tested this (Plasma tooltips) yet if it's stable enough?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:53:56] <rdieter>	Kevin_Kofler: how to test?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:54:21] <Kevin_Kofler>	Mouse over something with a tooltip, e.g. taskbar items, digital clock etc.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:54:36] <rdieter>	which build did that go in?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:54:41] <Kevin_Kofler>	A tooltip should show up and of course it should not crash, look like crap, leave junk pixels on the screen, ... ;-)
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:54:48] <Kevin_Kofler>	kdebase-workspace-4.0.99-2
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:54:49] <svahl>	rdieter: IMHO it's worth for *-wallpapers. Unsure about cursor-themes
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:55:15] <rdieter>	ok, i'm still only 4.0.99-1 here, I'll try it after meeting
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:56:42] <rdieter>	svahl: Oxygen cursor themes add up to about ~24mb
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:57:07] <svahl>	ah, ok. then that's worth it, too
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:57:23] <Kevin_Kofler>	WTF, 24 MB of cursor themes? :-(
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:57:48] <rdieter>	5 different themes, in regular/large variants each
[Di Jul 22 2008] [18:58:46] <rdieter>	I'm using Oxygen_White atm, quite nice.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [19:00:00] 	 * dgilmore remebers to go file bugs @kde
[Di Jul 22 2008] [19:00:29] <rdieter>	any opinions on pkg name?  kdebase-runtime-cursors, oxygen-icon-theme-cursors,  oxygen-cursor-theme ?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [19:00:32] <dgilmore>	svahl: quota is 150mb  but you can ask for more
[Di Jul 22 2008] [19:00:49] <dgilmore>	rdieter: oxygen-cursor-theme
[Di Jul 22 2008] [19:01:16] <svahl>	dgilmore: thanks
[Di Jul 22 2008] [19:01:29] <svahl>	rdieter: maybe oxygen-cursor-themes?
[Di Jul 22 2008] [19:02:07] <rdieter>	maybe so, it is a collection of themes afterall.
[Di Jul 22 2008] [19:02:55] <rdieter>	well, time's up for today, let's end the meeting, head back to #fedora-kde
[Di Jul 22 2008] [19:03:12] <rdieter>	end meeting
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